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Volkswagen Air-Cooled VW: 1952-1979 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on


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ZMan

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71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 2:35 AM
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Hi all,

Playing with a 71 Super Beetle. The gen light comes on when the key is on...as it should. Once you start it, the light stays on. As I recall, the big red wire on the generator should always be hot, right? That is not the case here. It is never hot. The old generator was making lots of noise - bad bearing. I replaced it with what I believe is a good generator. But that big red wire is just never hot - not with the old generator and not with the new. I suspect the problem is the voltage regulator since that is the guy that allows juice to get to the big red wire.

Can folks confirm that the big red wire should always be hot? And also, provide any input into the source fo the problem as well!!

Thanx!

Z
autobahn

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Re: 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 8:06 AM   in response to: ZMan in response to: ZMan
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If the voltage regulator is defect and does not supply current for the exitation coil (inside the alternator) there will not be any reasonable voltage output.
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Re: 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 8:50 AM   in response to: autobahn in response to: autobahn
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Just realized, this is actually not an alternator (3-phase AC machine), but a generator (DC-machine). You could try to remove the belt and the all wires and run the machine for a short moment as a motor. 12V on the output terminal (red wire). This should make sure the generator is properly magnatized.
ZMan

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Re: 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 12:16 PM   in response to: autobahn in response to: autobahn
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Hi autobaun,

Thanx for the replies! I am curious about your test. You state to remove the belt and all wires and then run the machine. If I remove the belt, the generator will not turn. I think I am missing something in your write-up. Can you provide more detail?

Also, should that big red wire be hot all the time?

Thanx!

Z
BUGGSY

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Re: 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 12:25 PM   in response to: autobahn in response to: autobahn
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It's been awhile since I've had to troubleshoot a generator problem so bear with me.

Positive terminal on the battery, #10 gauge wire, Red, to B+ on the regulator.
Second Red #10 ga wire goes to S9, (fuse 9) bridged to S8, then to terminal 30 on the ignition switch.
When the key is moved to the on position, current is provided to regulator terminal #61, 16 ga. blue wire, this closes the points in the regulator
and should make D+ hot at the generator, if I remember right that is.

Connect a voltmeter to the battery, what does it read?
Start the engine, bring the revs up to 2500 rpm.
If your meter reads less than 13.5v or the same as your first reading, you're not charging your battery.

If you did'nt change the regulator whe replacing the generator, do it now and retest.

In some cases, you may need to polarize the generator, but that's another story.

Buggsy
Tori's Dad

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Re: 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 3, 2009 8:37 PM   in response to: BUGGSY in response to: BUGGSY
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It's been years since I had a 71 beetle (1971-1978) but I have to ask, how are the brushes? They do wear down and are easy to change.
BUGGSY

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Re: 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 4, 2009 11:21 AM   in response to: Tori's Dad in response to: Tori's Dad
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Good point. Worn out brushes will cause a no charge situation.

Buggsy
ZMan

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Re: 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 7, 2009 1:32 AM   in response to: ZMan in response to: ZMan
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Thanx for the replies guys!

I am at a total loss. I have replaced the voltage regulator with a new unit. I also replaced the generator with another unit that is new, but has been sitting in a box for a few years.

I cannot get a charge out of the generator.

I have been told the generator is generating AC current and the voltage regulator converts it to DC. Is that correct?

If that is the case, when I put a DMM on the D+ wire I should see approximately 14v DC. I am getting 15 mV.

Not sure what you mean by polarizing...but could I be needing that??? How would one do that?

Thanx!

Z
FKH161

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Re: 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 7, 2009 1:36 AM   in response to: ZMan in response to: ZMan
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ZMan

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Re: 71 Super Beetle - Gen Light stays on
Posted: Nov 7, 2009 4:22 PM   in response to: ZMan in response to: ZMan
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SUCCESS!!!!!

Thank you all for the recommendations! It turned out that I needed to polarize the generator. I did that - took all of about five seconds. And voila!! We have a charging system!!

Thanx again everyone! You are an amazing bunch!

Z

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