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camperguy

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Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Jan 13, 2007 4:41 PM
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I have a 2002 Winnebago Rialta Camper, which is built on a Eurovan chassis. I have an intermittent starting problem. I turn the ignition switch and absolutely nothing happens. There is a click which, as I understand it is the fuel punp being activated, but that is absolutely all that happens. After many repeated tries, it finally turns over and starts immediately. The battery has no trouble activating the starter once the ignition finally activates. I was told that the problem was a faulty starter, and I replaced it, but the problem persists unabated. The problem appears when the engine is hot or cold, and there is no correlation with the weather. Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated
FKH161

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Jan 13, 2007 8:42 PM   in response to: camperguy in response to: camperguy
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Could be the ignition switch... the next time it does not
crank, try pushing the key 'up-down-left-right' WHILE you are
in the "crank/start" position. If you find the "sweet spot"
the starter will crank and you then know it's the ignition switch.
camperguy

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Jan 15, 2007 4:44 PM   in response to: FKH161 in response to: FKH161
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Thanks West Coast...I thought it was the ignition switch all along, but nobody would listen. I have not yet tried out your suggestion, but I'm almost sure it will work, and I will let you know. Camper Guy
camperguy

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Jan 18, 2007 4:39 PM   in response to: camperguy in response to: camperguy
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Hello West Coast. Tried your suggestion about jiggling the key this was and that, but unfortunately it didn't work. A local mechanic agreed that it sounded like an ignition problem and he suggested turning the key very hard to the right, but that didn't work either. I still think it's most likely a problem with the ignition for which nothing will help but a new ignition switch. Thanks again.
Columbus

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Jan 29, 2007 4:16 PM   in response to: camperguy in response to: camperguy
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Hey Camperguy,
check my post at "Starting Problem" by Columbus. My only difference is that starting always fail during warm weather with 1999 VW Eurovan.
Hope you will find some help. Good luck, it's a frustrating problem.
camperguy

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Jan 31, 2007 2:24 PM   in response to: Columbus in response to: Columbus
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Columbus: After getting the vehicle back to the storage lot after a short trip during which we had nothing but trouble with starting, We made an appointment to take it to our mechanic, but then it wouldn't start at all for days, and we had to have it towed. While the mechanic was checking it out the **** thing stared starting out of sheer perversity. Nevertheless, he had established that no current had been getting to the starter. Here's what he did: 1)Replaced the neutral position relay. 2) Replaced the neutral position switch, and 3)Replaced the neutral safety switch/park. He had already replaced the starter several weeks ago, and that did not solve the problem.I don't know if anything he did was based on a sound analysis of the situation, but I am hoping. Will let you know. Thanks again
swim4au

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Jan 31, 2007 2:44 PM   in response to: camperguy in response to: camperguy
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Your "mechanic" seems unprofessional. What are the chances that a relay and two switches will go bad at the same time?
moped

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Mar 14, 2007 12:39 AM   in response to: swim4au in response to: swim4au
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He may indeed "seem" unprofessional but I have had years of trouble with my '99 Eurovan not starting when hot and no VW mechanic could ever diagnose the problem. At least this guy was willing to throw out a couple ideas that might, perhaps, possibly, maybe even solve the problem. Maybe.

My mechanic finally determined that not enough juice was getting to the starter when it was hot (I had to drive it over hot several times and hope that it would NOT start long enough for him to diagnose the problem.) I already new a new starter wasn't going to work (thanks Columbus) so he threw in a home-made "hot start" relay next to the stater to pull some amps right off the battery and I haven't had a problem in six months.
hayduke

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Dec 10, 2007 11:43 AM   in response to: moped in response to: moped
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Hi. I realize that this post is a bit old....
I also have an ignition switch failure.
I have the new switch, and I have removed the upper and lower plastic moldings to expose the steering column/ignition but I cannot get the exposure to find that little screw to remove the switch.
This is a 2002 Eurovan, and it looks like there is additional black metal shelf about 1/2 inch beneath the ignition which was not present in earlier years where the exposure was much easier.
The bentley cd is pretty much useless.
How can I get to the switch? Any help would be greatley appreciated.
swim4au

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Dec 10, 2007 11:50 AM   in response to: hayduke in response to: hayduke
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See if the attachement helps.

Bob W.
hayduke

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Dec 10, 2007 12:13 PM   in response to: swim4au in response to: swim4au
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thanks bob. I already had your attachment from another forum. What year was that ? has the dash structure changed?
i only have 15mm space between the ignition and the lip beneath it.I tried to remove that metal, but even with 6 bolts removed it doesnt budge and I cant see where to go next to loosen it.
It looks like I cant even get in to remove the switch from the ignition cylinder even if I could see the screw.
I am tempted to take a hacksaw to that lip(it would still be covered when I replace the plastic molding) or remove the ignition cylinder to get behind it.
I could send a photo to clarify if that would be more clear.
Thank you.
hayduke

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Dec 16, 2007 10:55 PM   in response to: hayduke in response to: hayduke
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ignition switch replacement
well, no answer here, but i really want to thank dr orange at vw vortex for being the only one in cyberspace to describe what actually needs to be done here.
the bentley cd is worthless lacking many things like good diagrams, pictures (some are even out of focus)etc. it looks like something from china in 1965
TomB

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Dec 17, 2007 10:24 AM   in response to: hayduke in response to: hayduke
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The Bentley CD is all VW-supplied content, so don't blame Bentley. Bentley does many photos and illustrations for their paper Service Manuals, but not on the CDs, which are meant more for trained mechanics.
hayduke

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Dec 17, 2007 1:04 PM   in response to: TomB in response to: TomB
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ok, blame vw for lousy manuals. in that case why send $75-100 to bentley for a cd that costs 40cents?
my only other experience was volvo....it was a great manual,supplied with the car for a small fee, excellent photos, full instuctions,etc. also, every part that i removed was excellent quality and well fastened and logically designed.
Tall_Tim

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Re: Starting Problem 2002 Eurovan
Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:07 PM   in response to: hayduke in response to: hayduke
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Whats really bad is the security problem they have with that cd, let's say you computer crashes the blue screen and all well if it happens more that twice your screwed, the cd won't work no more, they say it keeps the pirates away from their software, I think that's crap, and if it isn't lower the price a 100 bucks for a 4 dollar cd is stupid.
Make it like 20 bucks at least were not losing out.

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