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flatlandjack

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engine noise
Posted: Jan 29, 2006 8:13 PM
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Hi,

I have a 2002 TDI 1.9 and I really like it. It has approximately 91,000 miles. I now have noticed a ticking sound that comes from around the passengers side of the engine. I have never noticed this before. The engine makes a good bit of rattling when idling making it hard to pinpoint, but this noise seems to get faster as the engine idle is raised. Could this be a bearing on an idler or maybe the water pump? Any suggestions?

Thanks
wizechatmgr

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Jan 31, 2006 1:49 PM   in response to: flatlandjack in response to: flatlandjack
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Who did your last oil change, and what oil was used?

It sounds stupid, but there is a special addative package for the TDI engines. Most synthetic oils do NOT meet the requirements.
flatlandjack

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Jan 31, 2006 9:55 PM   in response to: wizechatmgr in response to: wizechatmgr
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Thanks for the response. I just changed the oil about a week ago. I did the actually work, I always have. I used Mobil 1, this is the same oil I have used and never had a problem. I did add a fuel additive on the last fill up. It was recommended for diesel and made the car seem to have more power. It was Sea Foam. Any suggestions?
wizechatmgr

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Feb 1, 2006 8:43 AM   in response to: flatlandjack in response to: flatlandjack
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Drain that oil unless it specifically says it meets the specifications for the VW ###.## that is listed in your manual. The pressure setup on the TDI's requires the extra additive package that the "unusual" VW spec provides.

It is possible its just the idler pulley bearing on your timing belt. Possible that it is the water pump, have you noticed coolant level being unstable?

That said, it could be something with the injectors finally starting to wear. If I remember correctly, the TDI uses injectors driven either by the crankshaft or camshaft, thus that special friction and pressure addative. I would highly suggest replacing that oil with one that meets the spec. In the event your car is under warranty, it is no longer as far as the engine goes. This is one of the few cases where what VW says is an actual thing that HAS to be done correctly.

I know http://www.gprparts.com/ carries the various special VW formulations. Check your manual as to which your TDI requires, as there are 2 or 3 very specific VW specifications out there for the various TDI's and other engines that have been manufactured.

I do not work for GPRPARTS, I just happen to be one of possible many customers. I am sure other businesses supply the same oil packages at similar prices.
wizechatmgr

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Feb 1, 2006 8:51 AM   in response to: wizechatmgr in response to: wizechatmgr
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You also might want to check out http://www.tdiclub.com for specific TDI related info.
NYTDI

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Feb 2, 2006 10:30 PM   in response to: flatlandjack in response to: flatlandjack
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Has the timing belt ever been changed?? If not that ticking could be a time bomb about to go off! Don't delay, change the belt if it has not been done. It was due at 80k mi. for 2002.
sillymonkey

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Feb 15, 2006 9:29 AM   in response to: flatlandjack in response to: flatlandjack
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Flatjack,

Did you find out what the cause is?
I have the same ticking sound from the engine....
It's not a hard knocking sound, but more hissing?/ticking sound.

Mine NB is a 1998 2.0L gasoline engine with just over 65000miles ..so I don't think it's TDI engine isolated issue..

I also scanned the engine and it showed P1582 and P0411 codes...I'm wondering if it is related with the noise.

The odd thing is, it doesn't start right away when the engine gets started. The intensity of sound varies under different driving conditions...definitely faster under high engine rev, but sometimes noise diminishes under certain situations I can't pinpoint. (btw, I live in Michigan and currently, it's COLD!!)

Could you please update your findings, if any? I'll post mine as well. thanks !

Thanks
wizechatmgr

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Feb 15, 2006 10:10 AM   in response to: sillymonkey in response to: sillymonkey
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Was also thinking on this, as my wife's 99 Jetta has had this off and on.

Other then timing being off or needing a new timing belt...

I was thinking it could be one or more of the lifters not functioning correctly. If it doesn't pump up due to either wear/fault or lack of oil pressure, you would end up with just such a tapping noise as the cam slaps against it with less resistance and greater clearance.

I know this was the case before my 99 Kia Sephia was totalled after sitting for a week waiting on body work the first time. They ended up going in, cleaning and pressurizing the whole lube system and the lifters. Low and behold, no noise afterwards.
sillymonkey

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Feb 16, 2006 1:40 PM   in response to: wizechatmgr in response to: wizechatmgr
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I read about the lifters somewhere else also, and seemed like a logical reason. So I checked my oil level....

I did not realize how low the oil level was. It is my wife main commuter vehicle, and she never checked it.
So, feeling silly but glad, I added the engine oil to appropriate level, and the noise is gone !.

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I also saw a couple technical service bulletin on engine ticking noise at vw.com owner's club section. But they charged $2-4, so I didn't bother to buy them.

Pressure flushing oil system was also recommended by another source, which I plan to do soon.

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wizechatmgr

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Feb 16, 2006 6:48 PM   in response to: sillymonkey in response to: sillymonkey
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Nothing silly about double checking on a spouse's maintenance/or lack of :)

*Shuts up before he gets into trouble with his*
wizechatmgr

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Feb 16, 2006 6:49 PM   in response to: wizechatmgr in response to: wizechatmgr
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Anyone got a link to the pressure flushing of oil system? This is a new procedure to me.
bugeyed

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:47 AM   in response to: flatlandjack in response to: flatlandjack
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ok i have a99 beetle with 91000 miles i just went through this .my oil pump chain tensoner was cracked oil pump needed to be replaced .so while doing so i replaced timming belt and tensoner and had a valve job and oil pump chain tensoner .it runs like it did ten years ago when i bought it.im sure oil pump replacement will do dont wait cause you can cause a bigger problem if you put it off.good luck.
BeetleDad

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Re: engine noise
Posted: Nov 5, 2009 6:23 AM   in response to: bugeyed in response to: bugeyed
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Our 1999 2.0L Beetle has a ticking sound on the passenger side of the engine that might last for a few minutes, or a few hours to a few days then go away for two or three weeks. I use Mobil 1 0W40 oil and keep the oil level correct at all times. We had a Mazda MX6 that developed a ticking sound and eventually had to have the cylinder heads replaced under warranty, so ticking sounds get my attention.

I checked for Tech Service Bulletins about this and didn't find anything for this 2.0L AEG engine. Is there a way to narrow down the possibilities before going to the trouble of replacing the oil pump? I have a stethoscope, but haven't been able to locate the source of the ticking.

Thanks,
Phil

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