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artemus

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A8 oil cooler
Posted: Sep 26, 2004 2:19 AM
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Ok, this is my first ever ? here. The Bentley official CD manual describes a very different oil cooler then the A8 I have in my shop. The dealer parts image is more like it but has no actual cooler seals listed. Anyone care to comment? Artemus avwaudi
artemus

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Re: A8 oil cooler
Posted: Oct 5, 2004 9:26 PM   in response to: artemus in response to: artemus
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Looks like A8 oil coolers are not the topic of the day. My previous post isn't really a question as its a point that the manual doesn't show an image of an A8 4.2l 5valve oil cooler. It's different than 3.7l or the 4.2 4valve. And the manual isn't too specific on what to do about fixing a coolant leak there. ie-the plastic feed pipe! There is not many space frame Audis around, but when you need to fix one it would be nice to have a little more info than whats in this manual. Not that there is another~ Audi needs to spend less time on body repair instructions and have clear images of all components of ALL models. This, of course, is just my opinion.
Art

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Re: A8 oil cooler
Posted: Nov 4, 2004 11:05 PM   in response to: artemus in response to: artemus
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Good Evening, Artemus,

That is an alias that I've been known to use in years gone by.... has a nice elegant sound to it. My boss used to call me that.

I looked at the available information on the A8 cooler, and you are correct in saying that it is sparse. Audi has recently done some updating, so if you'll tell me what year you have, what engine code you have, and the Bentley CD that you have (AD24?), I'll see if I can help you with an illustration or whatever.

Arthur LeBrun
Bentley Publishers
artemus

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Re: A8 oil cooler
Posted: Jan 22, 2006 5:23 AM   in response to: Art in response to: Art
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It's now Jan.05, and I do not remember the car except that I completed the repair, after some research. I think the manuals need more information to the exact model, even mid year changes. Audi is terrible at designing new clips and fasteners that don't have reason for life, and then not to include their quarks in the manual info. is torture. I think I want to upgrade all my shop manuals to the new reader 3.0. Hope theres more comp;ete info. in them. Audi engineers must hate life and repair shops. { like their cars never need some quality help } This misinformation, or lack of, is to assume their cars are built like all the others. They are NOT. The satifaction rating of customers would be better if even average mechanics could figure them out, they do not.When I repair an Audi I have to fix one to three bad repairs done by someone else. Makes it hard to make money, but it's what I do. Audi owes me big time for customer satifaction with their cars.
ROCKEY

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Re: A8 oil cooler
Posted: Dec 2, 2006 2:38 PM   in response to: artemus in response to: artemus
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HI, WE HAVE BEEN REPLACING SEVERAL OIL COOLERS AT MY DEALERSHIP. CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE EXT WARRANTS, THE EXT WARRANTY WILL NOT COVER REMOVAL OF ALTERNATOR TO REPLACE OIL COOLER DUE TO NOT ON MOTORS TIME, AND CAN NOT FIND STEP BY STEP DIRECTIONS THAT CLEARLY STATES THAT THE ALTERNATOR NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. HAS ANYONE SEEN DIRECTIONS THAT WOULD CLEARLY SAY THAT? THANKS..
Titanium

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Re: A8 oil cooler
Posted: Apr 26, 2010 5:36 PM   in response to: ROCKEY in response to: ROCKEY
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This may be a few years late, but you may notice that the alternator is mounted on the oil cooler/filter housing. It's just about a physical impossibility to remove the oil cooler without the alternator coming off first.
****, it's just about a physical impossibility to remove the oil cooler anyway. I've done it and I'd rather stick my hand in a running blender than do it again.
Titanium

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Re: A8 oil cooler
Posted: Apr 26, 2010 6:23 PM   in response to: Titanium in response to: Titanium
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While on the subject of oil coolers: I just had mine off (2001 A8 with 100K miles) to replace that ill conceived PLASTIC coolant pipe that always goes bad...by design!! The Bentley manual tells you how to rebuild the cooler, but offers NO mention of how to get it off the motor. I could NOT have done this bear of a job without this article:

http://www.audipages.com/Tech_Articles/enginemechanical/oilcoolerremovalreinstall.html

If you intend to tackle this job, please read every word of that article carefully...especially the second half. My eternal gratitude goes to the writers. The alternative would have been near $1000 to have the Audi dealership replace a $10 part, which seems to be exactly the reason for choosing PLASTIC as the material for this impossible to get to coolant pipe between the block and cooler. No excuse, on a car in this price range!

I love my Audi and most of the design features, BUT this is a part that HAS to go bad and ALWAYS does. The same PLASTIC pipe was on models before mine and, as far as I can determine, was still in use through at least 2006.

The end of the pipe that was broken off and still in the engine block (which ALWAYS happens) was easy to get out, because it was the consistency of cooked sugar...bore no resemblance to ever having been plastic. The other end of the pipe, in the cooler, was still hard plastic. Over time, the heat of the engine block (or a combo of that and 'contact corrosion' ?) seems to cook the pipe till it crumbles and leads to a serious, but hard to locate coolant leak.

It's impossible for me to believe that Audi engineers didn't know this would happen before going into production...or, at worst, very shortly after putting it into the real world. Yet this known expensive flaw continued for years and for all I know, still does(?). I am NOT a conspiracy-monger, but one can only believe that it was designed or left unchanged, solely for the purpose of generating revenue for Audi service departments.

If anyone can give me one believable reason, from a sound engineering viewpoint, why this pipe is NOT made of aluminum or another suitable METAL, I will eat my computer and post a video of my doing so online.

Shame on you, Audi!
pocketchange

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Re: A8 oil cooler
Posted: Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM   in response to: Titanium in response to: Titanium
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Would there be demand (with the aging D2's) for a aluminum nipple kit,
with EVERYTHING (gasket, fig. 8 and o-rings 75 Viton) in a single bag?

Unless you enjoy the idea of a plastic (lol) nipple...!

pc
A/8 RENN

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Re: A8 oil cooler
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 5:23 PM   in response to: artemus in response to: artemus
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2000 Audi A/8 MOTOR OIL IS PUMPING OUT THE EXPANSION TANK WHEN THE ENGINE IS RUNNING. WHAT DO THINK THE PROBLEM IS ?
BrianC72gt

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Re: A8 oil cooler
Posted: Feb 27, 2012 2:21 PM   in response to: A/8 RENN in response to: A/8 RENN
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My bet would be that your oil cooler matrix is breached, mixing oil with coolant. The other possibilities are the usual suspects...blown headgasket, etc. The oil cooler housing (mounted behind the alternator incorporated into the same bracket) contains an inner finned heat exchanger. Engine oil runs through the inside of it while the outside of the matrix is bathed in coolant. Ruptured or bad seal. Remove and inspect.

Edited by: BrianC72gt on Feb 27, 2012 2:34 PM

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