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BMW E38 7 Series 1995-2001 (735i, 740i/iL, 750i/iL) New E38 manual


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jeffstri

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New E38 manual
Posted: Jul 11, 2007 10:48 AM
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The new E38 manual has some glaring omissions. The rear ball joints are totally missing from the chapter on the rear suspension - not just no R&R instructions, totally missing from the diagrams and list of components. Hard to understand why since this is rear suspension part that fails most often.

Nothing about power steering hose R&R, another common trouble spot.

Nothing about the valley pan/gasket, one of the most common coolant system problems.

Overall, a big disappointment, not worth the money. Hope there are plans to produce supplements soon.
Charlie

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Jul 11, 2007 11:18 AM   in response to: jeffstri in response to: jeffstri
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Sorry to hear you are disappointed with the E38 manual. If you purchased the book through us, we'd be glad to refund your purchase.

Your comments are very useful and we will work on getting erratas posted to www.bentleypublishers.com\errata for the items your mentioned. In your opinion, do you think rear ball joint replacment is a diy job, owing to the special tools?

Thanks for your input.

-Charlie Burke

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jeffstri

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Jul 12, 2007 8:15 AM   in response to: Charlie in response to: Charlie
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Charlie,

Unfortunately I did not purchase the manual from Bentley.

The rear ball joints are a DYI job. I'm not sure why the need for 'special tools' would be relevant to whether or not it is a DYI job - the manual already indicates the need for 'special tools' (or equivalent) for many other repairs.

I used various components of rental tool sets from AutoZone and Advance Auto plus a threaded steel rod. Others have used exhaust pipe connectors or PVC pipe plus assorted parts from a hardware store (see e38.org).

Jeff
wiz

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Aug 2, 2007 7:07 AM   in response to: jeffstri in response to: jeffstri
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Strangely enough, I am one of the people who has been waiting years and years for this manual...

...and strangely enough the two first procedures I need to perform using this manual would have been the rear ball joints and the power-steering hose.

I worry very strongly about what else might be missing in this manual if these two items are not there.

With regard to the special tools: I actually have BOUGHT a special toolset for the rear ball joints (from one of the eBay store sellers) and it wasn't so expensive (or difficult to source) that the manual couldn't simply reference what sort of tools, or even dimensions of tool, would be required to do the job.

There are also multiple posts out there in cyberspace that describe how, with some care, you can do these without special presses. I can sympathize with why you might not want to provide these sorts of thing directly in the manual, but you might at least mention them, or provide links or search terms to some of the available stuff that makes sense.

Will you be making up an errata section or additional fascicle to contain the "omitted" stuff? (Note that I carefully don't say "will the next edition contain these items? ;-}) If so, how quickly will you have photo illustration and procedure on changing this stuff? I will have to use an expensive shop to do my drooping suspension if you don't provide it fairly quick...

RME
Charlie

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Aug 2, 2007 10:15 AM   in response to: wiz in response to: wiz
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Hi RME,

Thanks for writing us. I took a look for the rear ball joint procedure and I believe it is covered. Take a look at page 330-19. It's called "Swing arm bushing, replacing". Let me know if that's not what you are referring to.

As far as the power steering hose is concerened, I'm going to look into that. I do know a lot of professional technicians also complain about the difficulty of that job.

If I can come up with a procedure, I will post it as supplemental information on our website under the link
http://www.bentleypublishers.com/errata/

Thanks again for your valuable feedback.

-Charlie Burke
jeffstri

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Oct 10, 2007 9:59 PM   in response to: Charlie in response to: Charlie
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Charlie

My manual does not have a page 330-19. Chapter 330 in my manual only goes up to 330-17, and there is nothing about 'swing arm bushings.' Is my manual missing pages?

Jeff
jeffstri

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Oct 10, 2007 10:15 PM   in response to: jeffstri in response to: jeffstri
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Charlie

The rear ball joint is #2 in the attached diagram, and is mounted in the wheel carrier (#1).
soheil2

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Oct 11, 2007 3:10 PM   in response to: jeffstri in response to: jeffstri
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Jeffstri,

I'm attaching a zipped file of rear suspension repairs from the factory literature. I include the relevant torque tables.

I hope this helps. Let me know if I can help with other material.

Soheil
jeffstri

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Jun 10, 2008 11:20 AM   in response to: soheil2 in response to: soheil2
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Charlie,

Are you still there? Is anyone there? It's almost a year since my original post about information missing from the e38 manual. Is anything ever going to be done about it?
WoodyK

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Jul 31, 2008 11:18 AM   in response to: jeffstri in response to: jeffstri
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In many ways your manual is excellent but has many glaring errors and omissions not acceptable for the cost of over $100.

For example, you do not mention that on cars with self leveling you fail to inform a special oil is required. Luckily, I remembered from reading the owner's manual about special fluid.

You have very little information on the V12 engine. How do you change the timing chain, for instance? The whole engine section is for the V8 with scant info on V12.

E38's come with V12 motors you know.
Charlie

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM   in response to: WoodyK in response to: WoodyK
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Hello Woody,

Thanks for your input regarding the Bentley E38 manual. The V12 is not as strong as the V8 coverage. We felt not too many of the 12-cylinder owner's were working on these cars, plus there were not near as many built.

Did all V12s in the US get self leveling rear susp? I don't think any of the 8-cyl. cars got it?

Any how, if there are additonal V12 operations you like, I can see what I can find.

Thanks again for writing,

Regards,

Charlie Burke
WoodyK

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Jul 31, 2008 12:25 PM   in response to: jeffstri in response to: jeffstri
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Thanks Charlie. Any additional information on V12 for DIY like myself (there are plenty of them in US) would be greatly appreciated.

Timing chain testing and replacement would be helpful for starters.
CZBON

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Feb 4, 2009 6:48 PM   in response to: Charlie in response to: Charlie
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Charlie-

I just purchased the Bentley manual about 10 minutes ago to assist me with replacing the coolant vent pipe under the intake manifolds on the 2000 V-12 engine. Now I see messages that there is not a lot in the manual on the V-12. If you have any material on this particular repair, I would appreciate it. I found your manual for my 1990 750il was excellent and very helpful in doing maintenance (injectors, plugs, distributors, and suspension). My friends always ask why must I keep buying V-12s, and I say "because they don't make V-16s".Thanks,

Howard Wahl

CZBON (license on my Z06)
Nick Czerula

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Feb 5, 2009 9:57 AM   in response to: CZBON in response to: CZBON
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Attachment coolant.pipe.pdf (2.3 MB)
Howard,
I cobbled together a procedure for you. If you need anything else let me know. I will do my best to get it to you as fast as I can.

Here is an interesting link on removing the intake manifolds.

http://www.bimmerboard.com/members/dmarmga/m73intakeremoval.pdf

I attached a document for the complete procedure.

-Nick
CZBON

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Feb 6, 2009 4:35 PM   in response to: Nick Czerula in response to: Nick Czerula
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Nick-
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!! The detailed instructions are fantastic and exactly what I need. I had managed to get everything done except the knock sensor connectors but was afraid of breaking them. I just removed them with a well placed screwdriver and a firm pull.

Thank you so much for putting all of this together. Well, back to work.

Howard
baabwaf

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Jan 15, 2010 6:15 PM   in response to: jeffstri in response to: jeffstri
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A little bad English ...

I received my manual today. Looking long after the manual and was glad that I found but it was not at all what I expected.
I have the E38 - 1999 - V12 and I was almost sad how little there is on the V12.
I took it for granted that I could use the manual to my car.
There are no lots of instructions, parts, components, metrics, contacts, settings, assembly, dismantling the engine, electronics precisely V12.
The water-cooled generator was only one finding - picture of screws. No values for the generator, for example.
Price for instructions on a V8 is high if it is to V12 I need.
There are very detailed and the dismantling of some things that can be time consuming to look for but I expected a further deeper manual.
Is there a manual that is for the V12?
kracton

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Re: New E38 manual
Posted: Jan 27, 2015 2:37 AM   in response to: Charlie in response to: Charlie
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Where do u get the manual and how much is it? Anything has got to b better than nothing. I need it for the V12 too and it would be very appreciated

Edited by: kracton on Jan 27, 2015 2:39 AM

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