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Crangip

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2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Aug 6, 2010 8:58 PM
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My 2003 Eurovan MV just decided to not start this evening. Nothing works. Battery is good, everything lights up and all accessories work. I hear relays clicking near shifter (it's an automatic).This happened briefly while traveling earlier this month but then it seemed to clear up after turning the ignition key off and on a couple of times. Actually, I was able to start the car after a while this evening but now nothing is happening at all. Could this be a relay problem? I am hoping it is not the ignition switch. Has any one had this trouble?
Thanks,
TomB

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Aug 7, 2010 11:07 AM   in response to: Crangip in response to: Crangip
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My first thought would be ignition switch, but the electrical portion is cheap and quite easy to change, and is a frequent issue on VWs. ( see: http://store.europarts-sd.com/switch-ignition1992-2003.aspx ) Is there any sign of an electrical load when you switch to the Start position, such as dash lights dimming, etc? If so it would point to the starter solenoid.
Rather than guessing, test the voltages at the starter. There will be one large wire from the battery that is always live, and a smaller wire to the solenoid that is the start signal. Clip on a meter to check the smaller wire to ground when the ignition switch is turned. Sometimes the contact between the wire and solenoid get dirty or corroded as well.
People sometimes complain of "hot soak" where the starter will not work after a long run until it cools off. You can also try a mechanic's "remote start switch" that clips between the large and small wires at the starter, and see if it consistently starts with that jumper switch. If so the starter is good, and I'd zero in on the switch.
Crangip

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Aug 18, 2010 10:24 PM   in response to: TomB in response to: TomB
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Tom,
Thanks for this advice. As it turned out after trying jump start and failing then having AAA come and their jump start failing I had it towed to my mechanic who checked everything out and discovered a faulty relay which he replaced and the car is working fine now, starting each time.
Back in the late 70's my family and I traveled west in our '72 microbus. It had a "flat spot" in the started and I had to push it to get it started on a pretty regular basis. Not having any extra cash for a repair nor a AAA membership at the time I had to resort to pushing it to get it started. It was not the best way to get from Colorado back home to Florida but we made it and our kids have pretty amusing stories to tell their kids. Having our Eurovan not start brought back those vivid memories of pushing my microbus in 100+ temps in LaJunta, CO. The good news is that now I can at least afford to have my mechanic fix the problem and I now have AAA.
Phil
TomB

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Aug 19, 2010 8:20 AM   in response to: Crangip in response to: Crangip
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Phil,
Those of us who drove old VWs (I still drive a 73 Beetle), fondly remember how simple they were compared to new vehicles. We forget how frequent the "simple" problems were, as we just worked around them. The new model VWs may go 50-100K without any such problems, but when something goes wrong it takes more to figure it out.
I remember the 105 Temps in eastern Colorado changing a water pump on vacation in my 87 Vanagon Camper. Later I gave it to my son for college, and he still talks about having to fix things on the 1,000 mile trips between home and school. Good experience for a young man.
Glad you got the EV fixed. I got a 2001 after I retired just for those cross-country trips - great vacation vehicle!
madmanmikey

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Aug 27, 2010 7:46 PM   in response to: Crangip in response to: Crangip
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I have been going through the forums and found your question.

So far today I switched batteries (the original was bad anyhow) switched starters (required because I snapped off a lead to the solenoid when trying to remove the starter to have it tested) and cleaned all the leads from the battery to the starter and ground.

What I am wondering is what relay did your mechanic change? Do you know where it is located or what it is labeled? Frankly, I am broke and cannot afford to have a mechanic look at it - the towing charge alone would hit me hard.

Any help you can give would be appreciated!
MMM
Tall_Tim

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Nov 30, 2013 8:57 PM   in response to: Crangip in response to: Crangip
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What was the relay your mechanic replaced?

What was the number on top of the relay where was it located, I am having the same problem, but I installed a power on and off switch at the battery, it's a real pain but it gets me going after 5 minutes or so after the battery has been turned off, then I turn it back on the van starts and a way I go again, just a real pain resetting the clock and radio stations, if it was just a simple relay, I wonder which one it needs to be replaced.
Also there are NO Eurovan or Transporters in the local wreckers for 500 miles in either direction, found a two VR6 engines but one was the older one and the other was butchered.

The relay numbers please :)

you can email me directly at tron37@gmail.com

Date is Saturday November 30th 2013

Thanks in advance :)

Edited by: Tall_Tim on Nov 30, 2013 8:58 PM
Tall_Tim

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Jan 4, 2014 7:12 PM   in response to: Tall_Tim in response to: Tall_Tim
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I am still having problems, my van won't start, I found that disconnecting the battery worked for a bit, but now that's not working, I changed out the 167 and 175 Relays which I think was the problem, but still nothing, now I haven't had it on the hoist to remove that big plate which everything seems to be hiding and my other real problem is it was -27 the other day and lots of snow, no garage here. so now I am wondering maybe have CAA take it to VW repair shop i know of and get soaked. I wish I had my old diesel back this VR6 is trouble.

The one on the right is my daily driver. the old truck never see's the winter.
OC02EVC

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Feb 25, 2014 12:13 AM   in response to: Tall_Tim in response to: Tall_Tim
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Tim,

Any luck with your starting problem? I had the same symptoms with my 02EVC and was able to trace it down to wiring. Mine ended up being the wiring from the 175 neutral safety/starter relay to the starter. I can go into detail on how I traced it down if needed. Let me know.
Loopster D.

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Apr 6, 2014 2:48 PM   in response to: OC02EVC in response to: OC02EVC
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Please explain this. I am in Mexico and the mechanics do NOT see many of these. My 2003 weekender will be driving along fine and all the power just dies. No power steering, etc. It then can turn over easily and the lights and everything electrical works but does not start, some times for days. New battery did nothing. New fuel filter and pump did nothing. Rebuilt alternator helped for a couple months but I have had this break down 8 times in 4 months now and ready for a final solution.

I know there are a couple types of alternators but how do I know what is the right one for my daughter, I mean vehicle.

A photo would be super if that was not too hard.

Thanks,

Braddon
euro2003

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Apr 10, 2014 10:49 PM   in response to: Loopster D. in response to: Loopster D.
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Braddon
Have you changed the ignition switch- I could be wrong, but I believe these are many of the symptoms that indicate a problem with the ignition switch. I changed mine many years ago prophylacticly, it is very difficult to get to the one screw on the 2001-2003 EV WE. Earlier models were easy, The part is cheap, the job is tricky, I bent a small philips screwdriver to get it into the spot, still very contorted to get to with large hands. I would consider it .
Phil
euro2003

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Apr 10, 2014 10:54 PM   in response to: Loopster D. in response to: Loopster D.
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By the way, I forgot to mention, my understanding is heavy key-chains lead to this problem or at least accelerate it. In the early stages, jiggling the key sometimes helps- someone else may have another idea if this isn't the issue. There is very little on the 2001-3 on this topic, and like I mentioned, earlier models were easy to fix.
Phil
JAJJV

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Re: 2003 Eurovan MV won't start
Posted: Aug 22, 2015 8:53 PM   in response to: OC02EVC in response to: OC02EVC
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I wonder if you could please go into some detail about how you traced and resolved your wiring issue?

I have the same symptoms and wiring is about the only thing that hasn't been tracked down.

Not only can I not start the rig, (1995 Eurovan - Rialta), but I keep blowing AC resistors so I'm told I've got a short somewhere.

I've replaced relays, the neutral safety switch, the ignition switch and more...no luck.

I would be most grateful for your help.

Thank you so much.

Julia

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