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Volkswagen EuroVan: 1992-2003 (T4) is my engine dead? after an oil change


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is my engine dead? after an oil change
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 1:15 AM
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Got an oil change, drove off, engine started knocking, was stuck in traffic, radio was too loud, didnít know, didnít hear it, what ever. I know it's going to be painful. Took it to the local vw specialist and he found a cracked oil filter housing. The oil change place overtorqued the housing, it cracked resulting in an oil leak, resulting in low oil pressure..... Now my engine is knocking under load, but idles smoothly? No engine check light, I havenít noticed any loss of power. Do I really need a whole new engine or can it be something less expensive. Can lifters be changed without removing the head? Oil was probably good on the bottom end but not the top? I know it's hard to tell but the engine idles really well no smoke no noises. Once you start driving it the knocking starts. We found lots of metal in the oil filter. Oil and filter was changed 3 times to try to get whatever metal was left out .The oil pan was cleaned. What are your thoughts? The van has been a dealer darling I had (keyword) an extended warranty up until now so it's got lots of new parts on it. Itís a 2002 Eurovan 94,000 miles. Not sure if I really want to spend the money for a new engine but I really like the car. Any thoughts? I found a few used engines with about the same mileage (go figure) for about $2500.00. How hard is it to change the engine, Special tools? I am used to working on my own cars and have replaced trannys on Saabs before (it's been a while) so I have a good assortment of tools. Was planning to remove the engine anyway to do the chain and guides. They were starting to get noisy (slightly) but did not require service for a long while. Interested in different opinions Thank You

Edited by: 2002 Eurovan MV engine on Feb 8, 2010 1:24 AM
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Re: is my engine dead? after an oil change
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 2:09 AM   in response to: 2002 Eurovan MV... in response to: 2002 Eurovan MV...
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I think its your big ends. Does not the oil change guy have any responsibility? Its no easy task to hange the VR6 engine but no special tools are needed. i will recomend that the timing chains and gears be changed before you put the engine in.
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Re: is my engine dead? after an oil change
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 5:47 AM   in response to: Indian in response to: Indian
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We are in the process of a legal battle. Meanwhile I am without a car everybody is blaming someone else. I just located VW VR6 24 valve factory built BDF engine complete 0 miles. Could this be used I am thinking using the bottom with the existing top end?

Edited by: 2002 Eurovan MV engine on Feb 8, 2010 6:21 AM
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Re: is my engine dead? after an oil change
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 7:58 AM   in response to: 2002 Eurovan MV... in response to: 2002 Eurovan MV...
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They are not interchangeable. The valvetrain are different. The 24V engine has 201 HP while the older one has 140HP.
It might be better for you to rebuild the old engine, then you know what you got. i have been checking some parts prices in the US and I dont think you will be very far away from the 2500 for a use3d engine which you know nothing about.
If the engine is brand new, I would try to use adapt that in the car....

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Re: is my engine dead? after an oil change
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 6:45 PM   in response to: Indian in response to: Indian
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Just got in touch with the guy that's selling the engine. It's was supposed to go into a 2003 jetta gli it's a 2. vr6 24 vlv. I am thinking of just using the long block with the Eurovans original head accesories and manifolds exh and intake do you think that might work? also is there a way to remove the engine from the top of the vehicle as i do not have a lift? thank you for your help
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Re: is my engine dead? after an oil change
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 7:24 PM   in response to: 2002 Eurovan MV... in response to: 2002 Eurovan MV...
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That engine is useless for your car. You need the AES engine. my advice will be to rebuild the old engine, bigends, grinding of crankshaft , new rings, valvetrain, oil pump and you have a practically new engine. This price should not pass the 2500 dollars.
I fear that you are trying to save pennies and spending big dollars in the end.
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Re: is my engine dead? after an oil change
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 9:53 PM   in response to: Indian in response to: Indian
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Meaning with a engine hoist? hook it up and roll it out? Thanks
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Re: is my engine dead? after an oil change
Posted: Feb 8, 2010 10:35 PM   in response to: 2002 Eurovan MV... in response to: 2002 Eurovan MV...
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Isn't this a USA 2002 model? If so it WILL have the AXK 24 valve engine, as that was used on all US 01-03 EVs. The AES was only used here through 2000.
The EV is made to drop the engine out the bottom, not to lift it up. You can pretty well open up the front end by removing the bumper, grill, radiator, etc to get access, but it still is a lot of work, and will mean opeing the A/C system as well. VW uses an engine support jig across the engine bay to hold the engine at a couple of points while disconnecting and lowering. By all means get the Bentley manual if you plan to do this yourself and review the process first to make sure you want to tackle it. From all the metal in the oil it does sould like much is toast, and a complete rebuild is likely needed. A split oil filter housing would dump oil quite quickly. The upper and lower ends would lose oil at the same time when the level dropped to where the pump pickup sucked air, then you would have no oil flow to all parts.
I'd look strongly at a replacement engine. You can get pretty deep into rebuilding before finding all that really needs replacing, and then you've already spent a lot. Replacing with a rebuilt avoids sunk cost in teardown. GoWesty has solid AXKs available, and even dealer cost for one from VWoA isn't that bad - but the labor cost to change it is pretty hefty.
These vans are nice enough that even replacing the engine is worth it.

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