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abeaujuin

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Timing Belt
Posted: Feb 18, 2003 5:42 PM
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Timing Belt Arnold Beaujuin abeaujuin abeaujuin@geosyntec.com
I have a 2000 Audi TT with 74,842 miles on it. My Timing belt ripped and the car stopped in the middle of the highway. The car didn't make any loud noise letting me know that something was wrong. My question is, do the valves and piston usually break when the timing belt breaks?

fast928

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Timing Belt
Posted: Feb 18, 2003 7:34 PM   in response to: abeaujuin in response to: abeaujuin
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They don't just "break", they collide and get all bent to crap. The bending happens so fast you probably won't hear it.

I hope the damage is not too bad!!

autosmart

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Jun 17, 2003 3:39 PM   in response to: abeaujuin in response to: abeaujuin
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In most cases the belt goes at low speed (idle) due to static loads. In some cases the belt is not broken, but the teeth on the belt are stripped in the area of the crankshaft pulley.
Damage is limited to valves and valve guides in most cases. Pistons tend to survive the impact. All these components can be replaced and the use of a qualified engineering shop is highly recommended.
The good news is that after a good repair job, your TT will work as new.
And remember: next time change the belt and the tensioner at about 50-60K miles (even if the manufacturer is telling you that 100K is OK). After all it is just a piece of rubber doing the job of holding the engine parts in sinc. Not a very good engineering application.
abeaujuin

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Posted: Jul 11, 2003 4:33 PM   in response to: autosmart in response to: autosmart
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Well I took the Head off and 16 Valves are bent. The piston did get hit as well. Do you recommend changing the piston? send me an e-mail and I will send you pictures of the damage.
fast928

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Jul 11, 2003 11:04 PM   in response to: abeaujuin in response to: abeaujuin
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If there's damage you would be best served replacing them. Sorry about the bad news!
lisawho

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Feb 23, 2005 9:38 PM   in response to: fast928 in response to: fast928
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This same thing just happened to me. I was driving down the interstate, and my engine seized up. One tow and a few hours later and I had $6K worth of diagnosed engine damage beneath my hood (I now have a new engine). A timing belt tensioner broke and my timing belt got loose, causing damage to valves and pistons, etc. At 85K, I now know that I should have expected it (having done the research after the fact) because apparently the timing belt should be changed at 50-60K miles. Unfortunately, I was going based upon the Audi service manual that came with the car--recommended changing time for the timing belt is 105K miles. The techs who worked on my car (at the dealership) said they don't even look at the timing belt during regularly-scheduled services until at least 90K miles. I don't even know why I bother to bring in my car for their regular services. Thanks a lot Audi! One word of advice to anyone approaching 50K miles in an Audi TT--change your timing belt!
Black_Honey

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Posted: May 4, 2005 11:08 AM   in response to: abeaujuin in response to: abeaujuin
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Hey email me at black_honey_98@yahoo.com
pioneer4570

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Posted: May 4, 2005 6:10 PM   in response to: Black_Honey in response to: Black_Honey
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Was the damage covered by the Audi warranty? Anyone?

Harvey
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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: May 4, 2005 11:59 PM   in response to: pioneer4570 in response to: pioneer4570
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Once past Audi Factory Warranty it's pretty rare that you will get Audi to cover this; or even help from Audi.
98fatboy

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: May 20, 2005 10:49 AM   in response to: lisawho in response to: lisawho
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What engine does the TT have? I have an '01 A6 2.7T with 90k and Audi techs want to change belt now ($1900!) instead of at 105k (after I will have sold the car). Are Audi's rubber timing belts as dumb an idea as they sound?
Hillsberry

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Posted: May 23, 2005 4:19 PM   in response to: abeaujuin in response to: abeaujuin
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I have just heard that Audi has recently changed its recommended service interval on the timing belt for the 1.8T engine from 105K miles to 70-90K miles.

Has anyone seen an update from Audi on this?
TAI-VW

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Posted: Jul 20, 2005 3:32 AM   in response to: Hillsberry in response to: Hillsberry
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DO NOT wait!!I have a car in the shop right now (00 TT) with only 49K and a broken belt!!! I own a TT myself with 51K and will doing my belt this week!I recommend 45K now!!
wlsh

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Jul 20, 2005 12:35 PM   in response to: abeaujuin in response to: abeaujuin
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egart

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Jul 20, 2005 10:29 PM   in response to: TAI-VW in response to: TAI-VW
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I have a 2000 TT with 43K. How likely is it that the timing belt will go? Is this problem common for Audi or is it something that only happens in rare instances? Does one have to replace the timing belt every 45K - twice as often as recommended maintenance suggests?

Any input would be much appreciated!

Eric Gartenman
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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Jul 20, 2005 10:49 PM   in response to: egart in response to: egart
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How likely???

Ever seen a histogram (i.e. bell curve)? That's how likely, the only question is what is the standard deviation and what is the center of the bell curve.

Most multiple Audi owners will put the center of the bell curve somewhere around 60k miles. The stnd dev is the hard part to figure out but is less important at this point :-)
egart

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Jul 21, 2005 8:00 PM   in response to: abeaujuin in response to: abeaujuin
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Thanks! I appreciate your candor. I will be contacting my mechanic to have this taken care of shortly - at 50K or so. I'd do it myself, but I'd probably cause more damage to the engine than the failing timing belt!

Eric Gartenman
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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Jul 31, 2005 3:33 PM   in response to: abeaujuin in response to: abeaujuin
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For what it's worth I just changed the timing belt on my recently purchased 2000 180Q even though Audi service advised waiting until 90k. I was going to roll the dice, but from the research I've done (i.e. NJ Class Action, etc.) it just wasn't worth the risk. Go ahead and replace the water pump, tensioners, etc. while getting the timing belt replaced. $800 vs. $6000 is worth the insurance policy of getting the service done, as painful as it seems...
JJJJ7777

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Aug 19, 2005 2:55 PM   in response to: abeaujuin in response to: abeaujuin
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My timing belt broke at 95,000 - 7000.00 later and no help or anything from Audi - With the recommendation at 105,000, I will be looking at the 2 seat honda or Toyota before another TT!
Chumley

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 10:41 AM   in response to: JJJJ7777 in response to: JJJJ7777
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I might be able to shed some light/add some value to this discussion. Audi's standard maintenance schedule is based on their cars <IN FACTORY STOCK CONDITION> being used under normal service conditions. Sooooooooo . . . .

Is your car in factory stock condition? Have you installed a performance chip or ANY OTHER AFTERMARKET MODIFICATIONS????? Do you drive like a maniac? Do you regularly exceed the posted speed limits or regularly drive in stop and go traffic? Do you take the car to the track or road rallys on weekends? Regularly race other fellow maniacs from stoplight to stoplight? Do you operate the car in extreme weather conditions? Do you keep up with ALL of your regular maintenance? Do you use OEM parts, coolant, and lubricants when servicing your car? When/if you see the check engine light, or any other warning light/gauge hear unusual noises, smell unusual smells, see unusual smoke coming from unusual places or fluids leaking, do you immediately investigate, find the cause, and solve the problem? Or instead, do you ignore what is tells you on your dashboard and in your owners manual (did you read it) as you open up a can of "miracle cure" that you heard was good pour it in, and then keep on driving?

The evidence clearly shows that most of those who whine about early failures of timing belts, tensioners, water pumps etc. do not operate a stock vehicle under normal service conditions, ignore the warning signs and they fail to have all their regularly scheduled maintenance performed on time. There is a very high percentage of owners who do follow the protocol and have no timing belt issues. We rarely hear from those people, mostly from those who don't. Do you, if you bought your Audi used have a well documented previous history of your car? Granted, there are always those unfortunate, or unlucky owners who do everything right and still have problems. Nothing's perfect, but, they are rare, and you'll generally find that, provided they complain in the proper format, (whining on the internet doesn't count) Audi will offer some assistance even to those out of warranty customers provided they can well document their case in writing (that means one has clearly printed written receipts from well accepted sources) and drive a FACTORY STOCK Audi rather their own version of a personalized dream <race> car. Read and understand your owners manual and service booklet. The service requirements and conditions of the factory warranty are clearly spelled out there. You are an adult now. If you act/write like one, chances are you'll be treated like one!

When you service/repair cars all day long for a living, it is just SO OBVIOUS to us when we see one that has been abused/neglected as compared to one being pampered and driven under normal service.

Sure, the customers NEVER lie. <sorry, . . . "misrepresent the truth" might be better wording>

Oh yeah, AudiAG is out to screw everybody! Now there's a good long term big business plan!

Chumley

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Re: Timing Belt
Posted: Sep 13, 2005 9:45 PM   in response to: Chumley in response to: Chumley
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I can't disagree more. My TT with no mods or chips and 90,000 mostly highway miles lost the timing belt with no prior warning. Maintenance was up to date. Audi's only explanation was the statistical approach they use to develop replacement interval. I'd guess they know they have a problem but are reluctant to change the recommendation due to the potential liability. I'd have more respect for them if they would change the recommendation and save others the frustration and expense. Of course they wouldn't be selling the head repairs as often.

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